Model Engineering (the engineering and construction of working models)

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The modeleng-list is a mailing list dedicated to model engineers.
This term is used to describe those that make things, usually from
metal, usually at home or in a home shop, sometimes using fairly
advanced tools and techniques or old tools and techniques. In short,
this list is dedicated to those that make neat things and want to
talk about them.

To date the list is pretty international in scope, with many members
from the UK, USA, Canada and Australia. Other members hail from
Japan, New Zealand, Germany, Holland and South Africa. Please keep
this in mind when discussing tools or materials that might not be
available everywhere, or when a generic term might be used instead of
a specific (as an example, "high-carbon tool steel" is generally
better understood than "drill rod" (specific to USA and Canada) or
"silver steel" (more of a UK term).

This list was started by Mick Collins in the UK, and later moved to
the USA when it was discovered that Mick was remailing everything by
hand. It's currently managed by sympa (a mail server program)
and administered by Russ Kepler at, but since
he's not always around please be patient with list requests that
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List rules:

1. This list is for model engineering topics. Anyone making
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